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Additional Yearly Meetings - 2009 Annual Sessions Costs




Dear Friend,

An additional survey of costs of Friends (Quaker) Yearly Meeting Annual Sessions shows lower costs and shorter durations than the three Northeastern and Mid-Atlantic Yearly Meetings in the United States.

Note the four night duration and low cost of North Carolina, Northwest and North Pacific Yearly Meetings. What might be evident is the drawing of resources of time and money to 'higher' levels in the northeast and mid-Atlantic Friends Societies.

The highest priced per night and longest duration - New York Yearly Meeting - costs $ 103.00 (+5% gratuity) per night with a $ 40 program/registration fee - more than three times the least expensive per night and shortest duration - Northwest Yearly Meeting - which costs $ 31.50 per night with a $ 20 program/registration fee, based on a per person Adult Double Occupancy, full session early registration rate.


New York Yearly Meeting is obviously taking excess profit it makes at its annual sessions and funnels it into non-transparent cost centers of its operating budget. (See: What Friends Should Know about NYYM Finances..) Similarly, the other two northeast and mid-Atlantic Friends have now begun to also have more of a need for a costly central hierarchy, costly non-sojourning lifetime minister/employees and permanent assets - which seem to be ends in themselves - as if Friends Society would not go on without them? Like civil taxes, once religious taxes are levied one year, it's very hard to take them away in subsequent years, somehow. Budgets, like beasts, grow and grow. Some Friends feel this unquestioned drawing of resources out of the grass roots is simply a manifestation of the autumn season of a dying Friends Societies. Yes some Friends Societies are not drawing these resources away from the grass roots. Are these Friends Societies more vibrant and growing?

What business do the Eastern Yearly Meetings Annual Sessions have to do for six nights and seven days? Granted some travel long distances, but are these constant and distant wider meetings the best uses of the resources of time, talent and money for Friends? Why are Yearly Meetings organized over such large distances? Why do some yearly meetings think they need two or more 'interim' or 'representative' meetings? Why do some yearly meetings think they need assets like retreat centers that simply draw extensive resources for salaries and weaken what is known in Friends Society as inter-visitation between Monthly Meetings? Are resources spent at Annual Sessions better used at local levels with ONE short annual meeting once per year - to find the common ground in what all monthly meetings have expressed in that given year?

Is it more equitable and reasonable to Friends Society members to offer shorter annual sessions at lower costs per night? Could we not eliminate one more committee and or function of Yearly Meeting government - the committee that takes money from Monthly Meetings and then hands the money out in some cockamamie scheme along with monthly meetings, to those individuals who can't afford the extensive time and high prices these same Yearly Meetings charge?

In Friendship,
Glenn R.

Additional Yearly Meetings
2009 Annual Sessions Costs

North Carolina Yearly Meeting (Conservative)
North Pacific Yearly Meeting (FGC)
Northwest Yearly Meeting (EFI)
Pacific Yearly Meeting (FGC)


Early Registration Costs / Double Occupancy
Cost per person / night for Full Session, including meals




4 Nights
4 Nights
4 Nights
6 Nights


NCYM©
NPYM
NWYM
PacificYM






Additional Gratuity*
-
-
-
-
Program / Registration Fee**
42.00
0.00
20.00
50.00
Adult/Double***
49.00
61.00
31.50
80- 95.00
Child/Double****
0.00
53.00
31.50
50.00
Child/Floor/camp*****
-
34.00
-
27.00






Adult/Camp/Commute
22.50
41.00
19.00
40.00
Teen / Double
0.00
58.00
-
95.00



Three Yearly Meetings - Northeastern U.S.
2009 Annual Sessions Costs

Early Registration Costs / Double Occupancy
Cost per person / night for Full Session, including meals



5 Nights
6 Nights
6 Nights


NEYM
BaltYM
NYYM


$
$
$
Additional Gratuity*
-
-
5%
Average Registration Fee**
0.00
0.00
40.00
Adult/Double***
84.00
79.00
103.00
Child/Double****
44.00
43.00
74.00
Child/Floor/camp*****
25.00
25.00
50.00





Adult/Camp/Commute
75.00
75.00
77.50
Teen / Double
84.00
79.00
74.00





* NYYM has a forced 5% gratuity upon registration

** NEYM has implemented late registration ($20) in 2009

** BaltYM implemented late registration cost increase (+14%) in 2009

*** NYYM range with number of rooms below


**** NEYM and BYM have a child (age 7-13) on floor/camper rate

***** NYYM closest campgrounds are +10 miles away


Thursday

 

Three Yearly Meetings - 2009 Annual Sessions Costs

Dear Friends,

The salient points regarding the cost comparison for 2009 are:

- Baltimore Yearly Meeting has added a 14% increase in prices for late registration in 2009 but also reduced its early registration room rate by $4 per night from the 2008 rate. This shows an effort to allow those of lesser means to attend without the use of denigrating elitist scholarships. 376 people were in attendance over seven days at Annual Sessions in August 2008.
- New England Yearly Meeting has added a $10 or $20 nominal late registration fee in 2009, as well has implemented a well-designed on-line registration system which should save costs and administrative time this year and in years to come. NEYM will hopefully pass these cost savings on to its members in keeping annual sessions prices low to avoid the NYYM elitist model. However, NEYM did increase its adult rates substantially between 2007 and 2008 by $17 or a whopping 26%. 802 people were in attendance over six days at Annual Sessions in August 2008. There is an approximate capacity of 900 attenders at Annual Sessions.
- New York Yearly Meeting has increased its historically high adult prices for its far-away exclusive destination room rate by $17 per night or a whopping 18% since 2007. Now, no one may attend NYYM annual sessions in 2009, no matter what room one selects, for less than those attending NEYM or BaltYM. NYYM does not distinguish between teens and pre-teen children in terms of cost. Hence, the price for pre-teen children double-occupancy, over 5 is substantially higher (by almost double) than NEYM and BaltYM. NYYM also shows its child unfriendiness by raising its child camping / floor rate by 25% in 2009. NYYM has adult late registration fee of $80. Annual Session and Representative Meeting registration fees are have increased exponentially in the last two years acting as an alternative income center for NYYM's excessive and padded operating budget, no doubt to allow for misappropriations that have been discovered - the need for such shenanigans created by NYYM's 35+ year consistently declining membership.

Do these show New York Yearly Meeting still out of touch with its Monthly Meetings and its individual constituents? Is it an elitist policy to raise annual session prices and registration fees and then to push scholarships on those who can't afford the higher prices as well as the time and cost to attend such a far away luxury location? Has anyone asked the important questions of NYYM, even difficult questions asking for transparency about pricing negotiations between the NYYM and the Silver Bay Association at Lake George, Adirondacks, New York State, USA? Resort prices have dropped in the real world in 2009 - why hasn't Silver Bay also dropped its prices in this recession?

Approximately 600 people per year attend NYYM Annual Sessions over seven days, and there is a capacity of approximately 700 including those who camp 10+ miles away. Some of these Friends from personal experience, don't participate on committees and simply take advantage of the recreational facilities and pretty good institutionalized food service in an inexpensive family vacation at a very nice destination.

Yours in Friendship,
Glenn R.
Three Yearly Meetings - 2007 Costs
Three Yearly Meetings - 2008 Costs

Three Yearly Meetings
2009 Annual Sessions Costs

Early Registration Costs
(Late Registration begins ~July 1)

Cost per night for Full Session/ includes meals




5 Nights
6 Nights
6 Nights


NEYM
BaltYM
NYYM


$
$
$
Additional Gratuity*
-
-
5%
Average Registration Fee**
0.00
0.00
40.00
Adult/Double***
84.00
79.00
103.00
Child/Double****
44.00
43.00
74.00
Child/Floor/camp*****
25.00
25.00
50.00





Adult/Camp/Commute
75.00
75.00
77.50
Teen / Double
84.00
79.00
74.00





* NYYM has a forced 5% gratuity upon registration


** NEYM has implemented late registration ($20) in 2009


** BaltYM implemented late registration cost increase (+14%) in 2009

*** NYYM range with number of rooms below

**** NEYM and BYM have a child (age 7-13) on floor/camper rate

***** NYYM closest campgrounds are +10 miles away





New York Yearly Meeting Analysis
Adult


Capacity

Cost per
Dbl. Occ.

Hall
Persons

Night






828.00

Trinity
12
9,936
$138.00
769.00

Brookside
12
9,228
$108.17
705.00

Bayview
81
57,105
$117.50
649.00

The Inn
296
227,624
$128.17
602.00

Paine
51
30,702
$100.33
554.00

Hemlock
72
39,888
$92.33
497.00

Hepbron
110
54,670
$82.83
523.00

Hillcrest
17
8,891
$87.17







NYYM Avg. Cost / adult

$672.88
$103.05

NYYM Total Capacity
651





Child


Capacity

Cost per
Dbl. Occ.

Hall
Persons

Night






646.00

Trinity
12
7,752
$107.67
586.00

Brookside
12
7,032
$97.67
586.00

Bayview
81
47,466
$97.67
466.00

The Inn
296
137,936
$77.67
419.00

Paine
51
21,369
$69.83
372.00

Hemlock
72
26,784
$62.00
315.00

Hepbron
110
34,650
$52.50
340.00

Hillcrest
17
5,780
$56.67







NYYM Avg. Cost / child

$443.58
$73.93

NYYM Total Capacity
651



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